Thread:Hackey5/@comment-27022259-20160530165918/@comment-17897872-20160603054955

I did not know that many promotions were made without consent from everyone else. Simply deciding to promote someone because many others like the user is only 50% of the battle (as I have stated onto Roseturnip's wall before when he became a bureaucrat). The user also needs to have the qualities of being a staff member determined by existing staff members and be able to demonstrate them whenever in need. Just a few cents to you Hackey :). I've also learned this the hard way.

Because of my absence (I've had a concert today, will have one tomorrow, and will have a national exam plus finals and a piano competition in a week), I didn't even notice that users were promoted without consensus. I don't mind keeping the new staff; I know it hurts to get demoted. But next time, it would be great if there was at least a thread about it or a highlight about new staff and for people to agree about it. The Plants vs. Zombies has a "request for user rights" branch, where users can nominate themselves for rights and others will support or oppose them (support from a bureaucrat/administrator counts as 3 votes, rollbacker/chat mod counts as 2, others count as one). Maybe we could expand on this idea later if we want?

Anyways, even if we don't; just remember. I don't mean that staff members are more important. Nusdan, your response about this worries me a little. Two things:


 * I understand that your country is going through turmoil and it's extremely dificult to log on. I know that no one here ever decides to just ignore your opinion.  However, without a sense of direction of where you want the wiki to go, the community takes a different turn in good faith.  Imagine that I leave suggestions, then leave for a few months.  Do you think that all of them will be followed the right way?  I know it isn't in your control; it isn't in anyone's control.  But it's never too late to fix it.  Like mutant statistics, old statistics merely change by outside influence.  Not everything gets taken into consideration the right way the first time.
 * Also, it seems to be that you want staff to only be decided with a small circle of current staff members. A user should only be promoted once it was discussed and agreed by everyone, including the staff.  Unlike other wikis, current staff will listen, or at least should, to what others say and keep them in consideration.  Most activity here is not made by the current staff users; it's the newcomers that keep the place alive.  I don't mind users outside of the staff to post unless it is a blatant uneducational response.

The bot idea: I've written a thread about this, it was a unanimous support. However, I was happy that it didn't take place. The bot changes the environment of the chat; it does create chat logs, but users will find ways around it. Enter different chats, kick the bot (yes, that's doable). The bot will become one of the worst ideas ever implemented on this wiki. You'll see that in a matter of a few weeks, the chat will entirely die out. Imagine the Candy Crush Saga Wiki chat with 15 users 24/7. And guess what happened after the bot came?

Calendar page? Even if you oppose the actual page itself, it would be great to know at least WHEN each user CAN be on if we EVER DECIDE TOGETHER to promote more staff. Usually, the two of us are on at the same time, and there is a considerable gap before Hackey logs on. ZOptic makes a good addition to the team filling in some of the gaps, but no one is active everyday. And that returns to the original question. There are many instances in which there are no moderators around. How to prevent harsher punishment? It would be great to spread out when chat moderators/admins can be on. This would determine where more staff members are needed. I don't see in anyway how this would remind a kid to bring in a notebook tomorrow at 8am for the language class. Maybe instead of mocking the idea of a 17-year old who thinks like a fifth-grader, you could suggest what could be done about the empty gaps.

No matter what happens, I love all ya guys :P. It's one of the best places I've been to; and trust me, what could possible be the worst thing that happens here is the best things I've seen in all the wikis I've been to. The ability to respect each other in tense situations have been a huge maturity, growth, and good judgement in the community.

-Primetime (talk) 05:49, June 3, 2016 (UTC)